Special Edition October 28 & 29 2017

Special Edition
Wednesday, January 3rd

October 28 and 29: A tour of all the haunted attractions in Wilkes-Barre with the Luzerne County Historical Society and their annual ghost tour; a discussion about marijuana legalization with program director of the organization High Sobriety, Joe Schrank and a discussion with author Liza Mundy about her new book, “Code Girls.”

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Welcome to a special edition. A weekly look at these issues in the news and the personalities shaping the stories special edition is a production of Entercom communications. The views expressed by guests are not necessarily those of Entercom communications staff. Management or sponsors and now here's your host soon Henry. On today's program will visit the strange sights of the city of wilkes-barre. During an annual ghost tours will learn about an alternative idea on handling the hope you like crisis from eight pro Canada's advocate. And we'll hear from the author of a new book that reveals the secret story of the women. Who broke enemy codes of World War II. While living under the radar in Washington DC it is that time of year again when ghost stories abound in a city as old as wilkes-barre. It's only supernatural. That there are some horrendous happenings of the past. They have been retold through generations. And these tales are repeated each October. When the lizard county historical society hosts its wildly popular ghost walked facilitated. By the family of society member William Lewis. These tumors reveal where the bodies were buried. The bloody battles that took place alongside the Susquehanna River. And the ghostly encounters some have experienced in buildings on the campus of Wilkes university art guide for the tumor was Laura Lewis. The torch began in 2004. And I've been one of the tour guides ever since a lot of family pressure obviously from my brother but this is such a wonderful. Wonderful way to learn a little bit about the early history of the Wilkes-Barre area in general and you know. From the time is of the native American settlements through true. Well into the early and mid twentieth century and we show. The am people on the tour and all sorts of places that they probably don't even notice on a daily basis that they. Wonderful homes the different parts of the Wilkes campus the downtown businesses that they mean uneven be aware of their history and it's just. A very exciting thing for me because I love this area so much that you know I just resonates with so many of the people that come on the two hours because they learn a little bit more about. The wonderful heritage that we have here. Due to the crowd size. Lewis used a headset joking she looked like Madonna as she prepared her audience for the horrors to come. Good evening welcome to our murder. Mayhem and history tour is killing although B. The weather doesn't seem that way. Don't work at downtown Wilkes-Barre beat Hillary. Air of the traffic because. It will let you over at least we evident if you go out just a few hours ago. That we're going to. Horrifying murders. Ain't lost that it carries and yes. Well every bury their dead. 88. Paradise that parking lot we walk on battlefields. That we're actually right here in the downtown buildings. That executions. Took place right. You're going to hear stories. Going here. They're going all out. A scary scary carry it history at this valley. And if you walked on any doubt that with its soul and had habit at first bite native Americans. Work. Century and centuries. And a settlement or if you will that has any place for. 200 years it would have. Buried stories. If you are buying. There's many creepy stories make sure you understand that curry who founded the county it's 86. What that native Salem Massachusetts. So that it going there. But at the time which chiles so explain. County in my opinion. Lewis started her tour at the mr. Howe library and went on to discuss saint Stephen's episcopal church. Both on strike on street in the city's downtown. Library opens at 889. And they'll kill me was there to dedicate. A library had ever. Just that was the man he was aired dedicated a library. Out that kept locked obviously this hour. The arm is on and that prevents us from actually going physically in the library however. We would probably encountered the ghost that on the books stacks on the other side of the building. The ghosts seen by many many people including. A good friend of my Brothers and by the way we're standing out of former cemetery if you quit historical society museum. You're also standing on another cemetery. That was cemetery of the old first Presbyterian Church. Their hat in me I wouldn't church. But that brick building replaced an early pastor of the first Presbyterian Church noted in his diary. Every time he buried one of its children behind that building. At that certain pastor and his wife had nine children seven. Buried under that McCadam behind us. This tires. It's just alien church some of the most famous early settlers were buried here captain Samuel COLT. Street a lot of Aires named after it was buried here 818 Hannah McClintock was laid to rest 1833. Many many others hand. The church building directly behind me was built an 878. Our top. Where at the earliest degrees poor and after that. Church. All those graves to other cemeteries. Celtics that they aren't careful because. This is 1897. On ore grade that hits downs this year we started this tour in 2004. They had just excavated. A portion of their sub basement. Found more greens and more bark. Curse wilkes-barre is public square has always been gathering hub for city residents. As well as the site of a story church and a home of the Lucerne county courthouse according to Lewis. You're standing. Right air. The old ship this diet church once stood. And that's the bell that's totally alcohol steeple of the church that was here at factors there's. Sure great up the church on the other side of the argument lesson. Completed until eighteen well but the construction started eighteen don't want and it. Starts stops structure that kept running out of money is it congregational. Slash Presbyterians slash. Methodist Church it was it was a good thing. The church was completed. They had eight church sexton by the name John Miller. And he was a theory that man came up with a remedy to break the spell out. Pitches that Wilkes-Barre. End. Which is apparently very committed vexing local cows. You know what account axed they tell us now right so. Tell his. Church valley separate Eric house to him. Take that key church. Hit a house out her key three times. And speak spell breaking words don't. To camp and then of course counts cured and it left the citizens as well as the house of the valley air how big cites church here. County courthouse was here at the last wants to hear it light weight of these buildings. Square. A lot of them are relatively new. I host Agnes T. Eight. He's building which is over there behind you the chamber of commerce has it right back quarter building networks Alec and an older. Architectural. It. Architecturally interesting building that community room for decades that is it. All kinds of function including. Public sing on that was very popular in. Downtown Wilkes bare for whatever reason Harry Houdini magician. Was a regular former it will spare and it is set that he can hit some stances over there in building. The city limits of wilkes-barre used and where Washington street is today Lewis explained that City Hall wasn't the only place full of skeletons so was the ground underneath the property. Like any other community. Spare at the time eat it. Me cemetery. And at 7783. The six year old son upset when Butler was the first. Person. To be buried. Across the street right worse city halls right now. This area was followed by more than 800 others. Felt their final resting place. It. This. City is right now. Now those grades obviously took up a lot of space so it expand that whole block any age 69. The city. Patent. Experts city cemetery. It's up by the general hospital. And I each step one the city started reading all. Grapes and name me cut up cut up. Where the expertise that Terry is now. Ever written a little graves was. A very pleasant task apparently there was a woman in town and by the name yet our up eighteen hundreds here and she. Type call wilkes-barre as I do it father. X eight degrees and place. In charge of the removal of her entire family several strange to hang heels were told her by her father about the condition of some of those bodies. Whatever little cousins who had died at the age ten. When they opened his coffin they found that his his sat here at ground more than a and they opened. Confident bought her uncle's. They found his here. Going into the cracks of the coffin such was. That being buried major hair grow and suggest that several other of her relatives did not go over well. But. She also. I was told by her father. That they had a great deal of difficulty. Down. There. As the bodies. Lie in the soil the bodies they were pulling up. And it was very difficult to do so because they're so happy that it petrified so it was not a very basic inaction and we can only hope that they were there. But of course they worked in 1933. But we're digging a foundation for the building at fifteen or Washington. And they unhurt Bo as a person that had an area that spot. After the 1970. Let me hear when they were building. Right behind it all. Owners of old graves uncovered during excavations at east there's probably him. Here they're browns now it would Beatles cemetery. If you look behind you. This is the site at this hour county jail the original jail was right across the street and it was here that prisoners or hill and execute it right behind the sought that building you would find it at the yard where cup. Public hangings were held and actually public. We're quite the rage in the eighteen hundreds. Invitations were sent out to. You know prominent individuals and the whole town. Com. Part apple circus atmosphere and action but that hell is their homes. And buildings. On that side of the street read outs from a that jail and keep poll it get up their roofs and they liked. Splatters against a halt advocate seen hanging in the yard. This hour. So it can't tell the folks to see the hangings which took place in the old jail yard at the corner market Washington. They stole all did not discourage these folks will work no more. Thirsty I once she suffered nearly indescribable sensation that NV which sophomore fortunate children. His parents bought hangings were the proper spectacles for anybody city and I don't upon the house tops where they could overlook behind don't. All I stopped at a home on Wilkes berries millionaire's row along river street featured deet tails of a tragedy in the life of the Huber family. That may have left some ghostly remnants. Starting. We'll look at some they've got a private homes. What is often referred to is millionaires well. This is the whole. At one time that your sister royalty. Mister Hubert was the president up only high and it looks coal company. Which later became the clip altered coal company. Will call this summit evening recognize that name. And if it was built to serve as president of the company's president. Headquarters was right next door. On June 12 nineteen point three mister Hubert was in the basement of this at all. And she is super I think the family show for all of her Gibbons. Helping her. Rush out and wealth in the family's washing machine. And a great idea it was going to use a gasoline mixture. Two. Well. However. The pilot light out no hot water heater on in the same problem. And it caught the gasoline. At its Huber at a shelter were set on fire. And this is you wrap your arms screaming at you reach that it. Amherst servants took off perfectly clear that she suffered at agony at 845. That night. Which he died at oh mister Gibbons with ticket to the landing belly homeopathic hospital which is just Dell streak. And he died at midnight so. This cat story the Greek tragedy that took place at home yet this is let it happen Hubert breaker named after him. It actually just put it short monument there. I am because interesting. Street at least associated with that breaker but. Does accurately end well for years that this was Chapman hall of Wilkes college outlooks universe. Yours many that equipment. As it was when the storm complaint. We're feeling that they got. Of course our back. End any absolutely refused to go near the base but not because the history of the hole. It's just the thought here long silky complaint about your street bullies set up a second. Office obviously stories about radios treat themselves on and on the night and green light strange noises. Hot. To be the judge of that but I will tell you a personal story basing your cough high school I. Don't want wanna go to Wilkes. Do I want to college just spur you on a Wilkes can't. And I was staying in a avatar. And I stayed kaput well. I did not sleep. I kept complaining about but. The building. And they see young women that in that offered up Iraq exit you know I. Don't know about. Exporting. Exit to my parents when I arrived home ice at. Wanna go well I took a sudden I graduated couples college. We found out just a few years ago is execute better. Was a graduate of Wellesley College. Where she don't want. You to be the judge that. It's hard to believe that a fight over an insect may have led to bloodshed on the river common. But that's the story behind the grasshopper war according to Lewis. It said that violence and warfare. Occurring in virtually every society and there were a lot of violence and bloodshed. Here in the valley on export the settlers arrived. Local Indian legends tell of how she nominees women and children. Crossed over the river to decide to eat a party where women who were playing with their children they left. Their part. Valley for wild fruit ethnic group in this wilderness here Shalit he's childless couple arch grasshopper. That wanted to tell our kids wanted. And the fight between children treated to a fight among the women and soon the male lawyers got involved half. Of the shop when he braves were killed right here forcing the tribes to abandon this area completely. At the Delaware tried and it came at event called the grasshopper war there's a lot of legends about grasshopper or because. Apparently a big deal to fight over grasshoppers time at first it's air had their old. Problems as I catch it before we Pennsylvania. In the seventeen hundreds. English Kate had eight this part of Connecticut. And after. The first settlers were killed and pushed back a second group awry and infuriated. At that takes a share to send those yankees have. That caused the Connecticut group. Connecticut. Shipment York and Connecticut settlers established for Turkey and pennsylvanians. Guilt for Wyoming which is right. Practically. Any shot that was the intention. Rocks at each other each group. Repeatedly. Forced the other area leaving behind their homes their crops so that won the troops at Wyoming. Attacked. Dirk. I. Yours. Battlefield. Settlers were kill. It forces seats to terror or Wyoming and finally the Pennsylvania. Forces. To the area that was cult. America's first civil war because at Yankee. Wore number. They play each battle the time quit. The American revolution started and they. Fought against the British Tories by. These plans start once the America it was over. And I was 1790s. When the dispute was finally settled and the early eighteen hundreds of AM grants were settled and we became not Connecticut but part of Pennsylvania. There's much more to this ghostly to her so check it out next year if you dare. Follow the U Lucerne county historical society on FaceBook you're listening to special addition on Entercom communications. You were listening to special edition on intercom communications. Hosted by sue Henry. Pennsylvania's open joint problem has been labeled a public health and safety crisis. Statistics show an average of thirteen people die each day from overdoses in the state with 2017. Also expected to be a grim year old toys were identified in at least 85%. Of all those who died from drug related overdose deaths in the state according to a report done by the DEA at Philadelphia. And the University of Pittsburgh in Colorado. It's a much different picture hoping you're related deaths have dropped since campus was legalized in 2012. According to a study published by the American Public Health Association. Joseph shrank founder and program director of the group hi sobriety. Joined us to discuss his belief that Canada scans save lives well what. They're there is no lethal dose of candidates so first and foremost one of our golden height sobriety take got off the table there is no recovery. Was dead body weight I think we can agree on that. Dead is dead the current paradigm of residential treatment. Yeah I'll go to rehab for thirty days and indoctrinated into twelve step philosophy and so on court. If successful five to 8% of the pocket so my question not how can we talk about it how can we talk about it. Wouldn't this we've spent campus of 25% pure overdosed that's state so don't. That's without education and that's without doctors that's without naming opiate dependence that's all fine tradition for medical program we can increase that number. Even more the question is not is an effective it is forced some people this is not a solution to the European crisis it is. He needed. It also may be a stepping stone for some people due cessation of all drug used as you looking to say that we saw all this we're looking to say that this can be a tremendous help and rewarded into the cultural question. Why do we care if people smoke. Yeah that isn't about the stuff that is so it just doesn't sit well with a large percentage of pop action. Well I know in Pennsylvania. Along time ago it was totally legal. To got to grow cannabis smoke canvas whatever and then I get day in post. After the end of prohibition is it became illegal. She did your research tends to. At the thoughts behind why certain things are legal and why certain things are frowned upon. Look your target to a Brooklyn liberal though. The reason I think that they have criminalize. Drug users because they don't like the people who use that particular substance. So I ordered the fire didn't like English people what what how could we disrupt their lives we can make peace illegal and we can. You know all this crazy stuff he leads to heroin achievements GAAP and you're bad person do people don't drink C so on and so important to the Serbs. The Nixon administration really won't. Full throttle with demonize and criminalize in camp if you extend or even more didn't even reinstated by people who were there for the next administration maximum wind kicked evenly among black people. And the way that you want to disrupt their momentum with anti war protest with cultural change was that you know that's a big giant road block the truth is if we look at this. Logically and return to logic ever really applies to drug. Policy but occurred. We should be encouraging people to use Canada. As a form of intoxication if they are going to use reform situation. It's safe firm. It does not have a collateral damage that alcohol does we were talking about. People a year roughly we don't exactly the numbers were pretty extreme but it's looking like it's going to be about that alcohol has killed 88000 Americans a year. For decades so the idea of you can go to Costco and get a bottle of vodka for twenty dollars but if you smoke a joint air criminals and we take it should be exactly the opposite because there have been any sort of gas and and I know people have all these anecdotal examples are few. Went crazy after they smoked join Torre doesn't vary very few and for the most poor adults who are fully formed into controlled environment perfectly safe use this that's not true alcohol. And so I think that it's much more of a cultural. War that we're fighting and we're asking people think about drug use and drug policy in very different way we eat a larger policy Americus failed. By any metric. The metric that I use the word redundant I am always aware of it done to the prison population you know all those all those kind of things are are. Shameful but we just shouldn't. We shouldn't consider this to be a success and we have to look at this. Addiction professionals Zhao who are in our region we don't really have anything nice to say about a full scale. Legalization. Marijuana just they just don't they believe it hop to it if I'm remembering what they said in the past properly. They believed that it is so. Another thing that becomes either a habit. Or an addiction. And I know Alison Peebles said there's no there's eaten marijuana is not addictive and they've always indicated that they don't feel. That anything will be solved by a opening the floodgates. To shoot drugs further what's a huge out. That's crazy that people should read research that people should look and scholarly knowledge golden peer reviewed research. I change something it changes debt and for why they can't stand how is that not improvement. I think that those types of people who they're rooted in any evangelical belief and Coke cup I think that's wonderful for. Then the same way that evangelical. Christian tell Hindus they're going to howl because they don't love Jesus. But not so different could help people well if you're not totally out there if you don't do what I did. You were on the road. It's important to understand and it's important to draw the distinction between the pendant and addiction. Addiction there is no diagnosis without impairment. And the empowerment have to be determined by the individual. Words people who say well gee I'd like little walk school I have the come up a lot of work these young guys we get off heroin using out of this but they want something else lives and the council may in fact be. In the we'd have to go to. You know some part of it is the pacing. Lots of people who say I like my life I have a simple Joba come home and and it could make them sound. Are we to judge those people don't you know. But there have failed or about their lives are wrong moon that we have some sort of cheering your ability to correct some. People have the right to self determined so so people who then and look did the people opposed to legalization and there's a couple of silence of those why did Jeff Sessions of the world right and the governor of Kentucky. Who lords over the fattest state the most welfare dependent states the poorest educated state. And somehow he feels the ability to judge people you can't. One thing that worship in Kentucky is burba. You know this is the mosque where you really are we do we want a model our lives after Kentucky. You know I don't think so. Anybody who drinks alcohol and try to demonize candidate Chris there's just no other way to describe it. Yet there are cool yeah let me ask you about that tells them because I don't that's that's a fair point in our culture gel there are a lot of people. Who. Cannot really function very well at all either because of an addiction to alcohol. Or a dependence. Oh let's just call it and just in these fear her a dependence. I'm Candace there seems to be dire in this country in this country to live life in an altered its. So are ridiculously difficult and a lot of people who don't smoke pot or drink look and and shake their heads and no guys good we had a real world out here and a lot of your not employable because sheer. Battled all the time how do you address that. Except in the people who are kind of mental health challenges and there are people that will all. Ku. Addiction or dependent could appoint women don't function in the world what I think is not that we shouldn't make efforts towards improving good that we need to apply the knowledge values and skilled in public health policy. Not criminal station. So in other words making those people who have the inability to function in the world because of the dependent on substance criminals. Doesn't really help anybody. Can make some problem works for. I'm not saying look don't do anything about it and saying are people who smoke Canada's in the home. I mean what I've heard it it made a bad decision. Saying you know Americans think a lot about how decisions are not sure you have seen people at McDonald's. It's something about how decisions are mobile safety David chili dog at some eleven not with a really got help decision. So I think it's more of an issue of why how we approach this with a better way for a better outcome. And part of it is that there are there will never be a drug. But this is pure fantasy and the idea that there are people out there who are. Playing into this panacea and you'd think that through incarceration. Or work. Crew. Are you know these paramilitary organization but somehow there's going to be drug free America it will not happen and so that's going to be given over to. Okay swing domestic costs costs fifty years they went nowhere this hurts families and hurt communities let's try something different. My interest and I get erratically or not I don't know. I am a substance for individual you know I haven't had drinks between here and I don't use candidacy for the consumer. And that's a decision that I made in the livestock quit. Blight that may or may not be the right decisions for all people we have to look at other options we also have to give people time to reach that if that's what they decide is going to be their best player. To address the drug issue. We go again buddy Joseph we spent a long time in this country talking about. How bad smoking cigarettes is a win. A lot us never thought we'd see the day when there was a smoke free. Bar or whatever and you know punch it happened here and in a city like New York they are very strident on that one indeed and firm very. You know kind of the liberal city it's amazing to see that they are. Leaders in this so Bob Marley yeah it was a musician and smoked a lot of marijuana when he was being treated at Sloane a New York City they said that they had never seen an individual. So filled with cancer yet still alive as Bob Marley what I don't know about that argument and I mean no I'm just soaring these things out here all they did it. King reasons include the rates of smoking a decline in New York City here is package that's annoyed when he dollar looks something in New York. So that was one of the ways that they reduce the rates of smoking what they didn't do was arrest people or shoot them for using nicotine. Part of visit to console track and the general. Try and how old messaging. You know and it's pocket variable on time commitment of the culture into that hole is the end of the slope in them that in the sixties or in the fifties. I understand that smoke it was that. You know they did and they started equivalent to that. But anyone who that the but I think we've been reduced it to use. It's the same. I put people down Tobacco Road start with the distilled spirits sloppy you people they they kill people ask. We're here wire to it being there in court quiet until warning label. On alcohol but this product. Can result in death certainly can result in stupidity. Violence between partner. For the million things I can go on the part of who have been hijacked and that message. Don't drink and drive you know and yes driving in the old. The thing that can go wrong. Without calling you so I think is that it really was public health policy and public health officials at reduced rates smoke and not only New York could nationally and ironically people. What to do what that you're describing to work. Little code school district Canada's a lot of the people in AA are dying of empathy my mom so I just don't get the moral posturing. That's just shrank founder and program director of high society. A group that encourages minimal choices for those who reject the idea of total abstinence from drugs. You're listening to special addition on Entercom communications. So yeah you're listening to special edition on intercom communications. Posted by so Henry. Women did many things during World War II to contribute to the US victory. Including acting as single parents working an airplane factories and on assembly lines and managing victory gardens. A new book sheds light on another way women worked under the radar to help the war effort. Many were recruited from colleges and universities co overtly to serve as enemy code breakers in secret facilities in our nation's capital. A new book code girls the untold story of the American women code breakers of World War II by author Liza Mundy. Details their extraordinary mission. I would talk and with some historians that the NSA that's our National Security Agency which actually grew out of our incredibly important wartime kind of breaking. And they he had told me about this incredible story of more than 101000 women who were secretly recruited to come to Washington. When they formed the bulk of our kind of braking force. Like the people it is fact and you follow along about the kittens eight years the women now petitions in the eighth straight which. And it it really took an author Eric. It's 2000 wanted to write the story in and then I heard about that I wanted to write the story. 101000 women who are working in secret I have to know exactly how did they managed to pull the south I know some of them came out of bed colleges and universities and places look what I say they were doing. Well that's a great question and they cut labor women and they were better able to keep it secret the highs. We're told it's how people that they were secretaries of that they add he'd waste basket and sharpened pencil and killed in quelled. And I can't ever women people believed that match even though they were graduate emptied out at toppled women's colleges and and other universities today people just assume that because liberal women and the worked at every doing couldn't be important. No one of their family caught on because we all know about women's intuition and I was learning a summons mother grandmother said that doesn't sound like Q. Well and their families get pumped them for a determination and several of the women I interviewed with talk about they were eight and watching done that they went to have to deal with relatives or something. Thought they would get pumped for information you know what do you do to get that huge secret compound. In Washington DC but the women that they did they couldn't help they can't figure. Breaking carried that the enemy finds out that he broken their candidates an enemy is gonna change that had hit them and it's all gonna go dark so they knew it was really important to keep his secret. How did that recruiting take place to announce two left find these women across the country it. And how even approached them because that's Sarah cloak and dagger is allow. That's a fascinating story the US navy now up for factors at women's colleges to identify their top seniors women where Shakespeare without background in math and language is. If possible and these women received a secret invitations to the meeting where they were asked do you like crop certain titles and you're engaged to be married. It said after the first and then to the fact that they would be invited to take a training course during their senior year and that went immediately when they graduated they came to Washington which. Do you like our. Army meanwhile was competing for educated women because it had its own kind of breaking operation which. It can't hand I'm young army officers throughout the south. This station than a thousand panic stop that says it has to house. And I and tried specifically cherry creek school teachers they can't schoolteachers worried generally college educated women. And they were trying in part to charm them into coming up to Washington. How did that crossword puzzles situation no fall into what is code breaking. Laid down the foundation for what that exactly meant during World War II times. Yeah that's an Internet they can breaking as much much harder than that work in concert has also I culture couples are designed ultimately to be solved and they have you know little clues and things like that they've counted the kind of messages are designed never to be broken and so it's very different pot shot and lord of the world more Q what do war I've had no communications account armies and navies. We're spread out all over the world there are thousands sent messages being sent every day I commanders and air troops can their ships. Diplomats politicians all communicating over the radio waves into and fight bird communications. It is really the dawn of encryption. And what these women we're dealing with basically hacking they were hacking into enemy communications systems to. What kind of men and skills did they do they bring because otherwise Al lot of people listening today. Don't remember last about the Internet they just simply don't remember those times but in this list. Terribly challenging and I guess they used you know whatever. That kind of skill set that they had Baghdad how exactly did they implemented did they use each other third. Or did they use of military. Input how do it. And that's deport intercepted at listening has its around the world they were and steady the continued giant cut reckon compound in Washington DC. And that the women owed debt and content in different systems off and they were numerical codes which. In which a word like Murray knew what was the Japanese word for their supply ship. It would be rendered in a Ford Egypt and I can't group maybe. 789. But then there would be another mortgage it's added ten about to encrypt it basically says the women had to strip out the encryption they get it do. A complicated. Kind of math. But they had to have the language skills to be able to figure out where in the message certain words might be appearing and that's just one kind of kind as a kind of breaking there were other. Messages that were done by machines they would scramble letters and it's dictated the women had to understand the behavior of letters in different languages how. Which also involved math and language skills and he did it at that giant assembly line and working collaborative late in Julie and what basically what a computer would now be doing. When you're looking at these say examples yourself did you get. Any kind of Cisco out of this for you able to crack and I'm. She's got a great question you know at some training course that actually don't fit in the National Archives so I was able to look at some of the problems that. Wish they had they had derby week they winter they're training each. And I I felt like I understand the principle that all justified express continued. And sometimes I would think OK well I'm gonna set about trying to get some of these problems because I understand it principals and I would look at them and I would thank you glad. Now. If something happens at all. So we have young women doing theirs and now Washington DC and certainly they didn't spend every minute and that thing you know what is it like for the I mean net. I guess op off the clock so to speak to they have a lot of down time today. Where they bullet intermingle with the other people who are there did dad they find our relationships in DC. That's a great question it was a great experience that and that's one of the ironies I think they were very strapped by their work it within 24 hour operations they were working round the clock ship. We're very worried about their Brothers and their boyfriends and their friends than to and then they knew who were enough ice age. They understand what's at stake is worth the work was very stressed all. But when they were off the clock and Washington may have a great time and I lived in. Boarding houses apartments to group pounds I dormitories ever created to get a lot of dating and they wrote a lot of soldiers are sometimes they were reading as many as twelve man at a time because women were encouraged to keep up morale. They were sending a lot of snapshot. Do you cities soldiers which we're sort of an early version of healthy is. And they worry it had every drinking. It was one group of women you have got hacked to that if somebody at the table ordered of vodka Collins is much it meant that somebody wish showing too much interest in their work. And they were all too dispersed and a lady German and Lee have. But if she I was led the Collins that was that the tip off played it worded it well yeah. Also they're using code outside the office ending is awesome and by the way I think Liza as we all know people still sees that kind of spoke code today at 2 AM and get to people off their backs and a bar that's right so I am now some of these women are still living and now there is one in particular lady named Don Braden who sometimes speaks with you about this upgrade. I guess in our good friends like I talked her last night she is. 97. She still remembers being a young schoolteacher in Chatham Virginia. Overwhelmed by her teaching load after all the male teachers had gone to fight it out and and and during the current topic in her hometown of Lynchburg. Where there with the government recruiter recruiting for a job at Washington and she applies to her background was thoroughly checked and she took the train to Washington. Had no idea what she did just signed up to deal. And within a matter of weeks she was working on the kind of breaking sent them I was responsible for a first person thinking thousands of Japanese supply ships in the Pacific. In weeks it's an amazing set of circumstance an asset. I mean how does she feel about this sooner didn't care bit in her life for she just goes to the post office and Armisen she sinking ships. Yeah I mean she says that it with the greatest experience of her life and of course you can never talk about it even afterwards. I have family in a certain point you know had some inkling that their mother had played an important role in the war they do their father had been an army meteorologist. A predicting weather for pilots. But he didn't know what their mother had died in the red area Perry speak hurt you to listen to this story and I think she is. I seemed reluctant at first to talk because she kept us to secrecy very seriously that she had to sign a once you understand it have a dedicated top I think like the other women should. It's very eager to get credit for what she did and understandably so. Some of the other women who are are still with this and what would like to speak to them and in did you really have to coax them doesn't that almost. Yeah I think I'm Jacob I really did have to catch them and it was incredibly admitting to talk to these women I mean many of them now are living in assisted living facilities but it was remarkable what they remembered and how sharp they are want to know when I was able to actually show me the map that she did she's still remember the how she could be corrected the Japanese naval messages she still. Still remembered certain words and afraid that they were looking for action it would toward college show that we achieve message which was the message it would bishop would announce what its need and petition. What's going to be the next day and those were incredibly important to get American submarine commanders got a deposition and subsidy where that ship was going to be age and she still remembered western show that we keep message was. Women now lies ever been brought together for any kind of honor not that they would want one but have they been recognized for their extraordinary service. I might want one out rightly be difficult now at this point you know basically for some of them on they really haven't haven't any gathered an honor that wage. They have received commendation after the war the women with the navy. I received medals but they were told never to show them to anybody and and said he didn't and in fact you know a number of women don't have them change. And some of them were reluctant to even shed a campaign. Did you is so you did get to see the metal we allowed to photograph and in the man. I know that after the one woman you have idly Shimmy her melt and heavy photographic. But I do have the letter to accommodation and then in the National Archives I can see that there were women with the operation who were nominated for bronze stars. That is fantastic now you did reference a movie that I I enjoyed ever so much called hidden figures I thought that the iron to area of the movies but has drawn to that. And I thought to myself this story is so fascinating and I'm glad I was told. Is there a potential that your work in this block. Might translate into. The big screen and and by the way I eat eat it's a great story and I know a lot of people would love to see it. Perhaps can't thank you so much for saying that and I would say yes I think there is a very good chance that it'll be translated on ten under the big screen or the small screen and and I'm very grateful they hated figures to the maybe because I think. I think there's so receptive to that now I'm on the reading public and that viewing public to really believe that these storage or trail and that these women really did contribute. Which I said it's important to recognize their work. That's Liza Mundy author of code girls the untold story of the American women code breakers of World War II you are listening to special addition on Entercom communications. Thanks for listening to special edition. A weekly look at these issues in the news and the personalities shaping the stories we're.
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