Special Edition December 16 & 17 2017

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Wednesday, January 3rd

December 16 and 17: An interview with Charles Brandt, author of “I Hear You Paint Houses” about Russell Buffalino, an NEPA mafia figure thought responsible for the hit on Jimmy Hoffa; holiday lending hints from Katrina Boyer of the Department of Banking and Securities about predatory holiday lending and an interview with IRA Mehlman, of the Federation of American Immigration Reform.


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Welcome to a special edition. All weekly look at these issues in the news and the personalities shaping the stories special edition is a production of Entercom communications. The views expressed by guests are not necessarily those of Entercom communications staff. Management or sponsors. Now here's your host soon Henry. On today's program. We'll learn about the revolutionary war veterans buried in Wilkes Barry's historic Collin Beck cemetery. Will sit down with the Lucerne county manager to get a picture of the budget that's under consideration and we'll hear about singer Glen Campbell's very public struggle alzheimer's disease. From his widow Kim some of the early residents of the city of Wilkes-Barre are still together these days. Resting in the Holland back cemetery. Next to reverse streak and looks very general hospital. That cemetery was founded in the 1855. By George Collin back after the downtown graveyard got too crowded. Each year Wilkes-Barre city councilman Tony Brooks who is also on the board of the Holland back cemetery association. Gives a fault tumor that is usually senator around a certain group or theme. This year Brooks told the stories of the veterans of the American revolution. Who are interred at the cemetery. You know I always think it's important to remember our veterans regardless of what wars they are. And as a historian I always like to go back to the very beginning the beginning of Wilkes-Barre who were the first settlers in undoubtedly because we had a revolution were battle here of the well Wyoming. There are numerous revolutionary war heroes so we have thirteen that are buried. In Holland back cemetery. It's fasting about Adam dale got moved here the cemetery wasn't found until 1855. So these gentlemen were private plots the old through ground rules for City Hall is today and they all got moved here so I always wonder with the travel was like up north river street he 1860s. Probably bumpy it was certainly bumpy it was actually. Well I was in a paper wrote back then so would have been very bumpy ride. I may not covering a lot of of the others who are buried heyday but there are many many influential figures who are here and you've highlighted them and the pastor people who are casual. Listeners who are some of the real superstars who are in the cemetery. You know they're very complete beginning of the anthracite industry is buried in this cemetery so you have names like Butler hall I'm back and Jacobs says these are the guys who were on the ground floor of creating the interstate industry. That were able to recruit all of our ancestors come here worked in the coal mines when I have what I love to explain to people as somebody had to be the first. So who was the first guided dig down and create a shaft. To pull out and extract the black diamonds that would fueling investor revolution changed the way America operates. And the way we heat our homes for 150 years. In app that we have. People who are giants of retail architecture at all kinds of people out here as well it's true when it comes to retail you have FM Kirby who went to business with the Woolworth's to create the largest by a dime. Retail marketing dream an America also talk about is the status of the cemetery occasionally in. How people. Looked around here and decide oh where they want it to rest for eternity of well status you know we all like to show off. In life and some people like to show off in death. So for example you'll have the Holland backs and the Cunningham will have magnificent obelisk to them which was the height of status in death. You also placements are and families have better views in a perfect les. In the cemetery as well and then of course you have muzzle Williams kind of like building a house. For eternity in death. And their beautiful Muslims it's in public cemetery you travel the world and I know when you go around the world you about it cemeteries are. I do you know there's a name for us code title file. And when I go to Paris there are public cemeteries in Paris that were created after French revolution. And their four main cemeteries in Paris and here. Magnificent and they are tourist attractions that people do go to them if you go to Rome people go to the caddie columns they're beautiful cemeteries all over all the relented as well. And a lot of American terrorists will go on them of course to see if famous Americans that are buried there but also famous. Celebrity's. Heroes industrialists the businessmen of that particular city. Brooks gave the attendees on the tumor a brief history of pollen Max cemetery. In the very beginning people had Stanley cemeteries. So at the end of Ross street. Where the old hazard wire ropes or was the Ross family cemetery Paula back. Family cemetery was right across as she worked general hospital is bill and the family kind of just flipped to land they gave the land. To general hospital which should be called pollen back hospital like this that hospital was on the west side. Is there are really the primary movers and shakers of that of that hospital when it was. Founded but this cemetery when it was. Established in 1850 I was out in the country past the northern border of the Borough books Sperry was that ended at. And north street looks very it was at that time just north street to south street French street to Backstreet French street becomes. River street Backstreet becomes canal street and later Pennsylvania Avenue when that little. Plot was the village of books there. And the original cemetery was. On east market street across from Jeannette he's at Washington street. Which is where City Hall is today and I think that might explain. Politics and looks very because we're built on top of a cemetery what happened wise. It kept dying you can't stop it or die right. The city actually the Borough at the time passes orders saying no more people can be buried in the cemetery they forgot that talent that you can't die that you needed to put him somewhere. And so. On the generosity of the Holler back as we moved out here and slowly. Started over twenty year theory that. Extract bodies and re interred them in the city cemetery which is still by the city. They start to move the bodies. Out into the countryside. And this road was the main road to its use be called instant. Plank road it was a wood in boardwalk. That connect to Wilkes-Barre to Pittston. And in the old days families would come out here to. Have lunch with their dead relatives it was a very Victorian thing to do back in the old days to come out and Sunday and visit your relatives. And have a picnic for two and if you really look at it it is a Victorian city for the dead is magnificent place. All right so well embarked on that thirteen revolutionary war veterans that are buried in this cemetery. We're first gonna start with these guys. Captain Joseph Davis and lieutenant William Jones Corsican teller polish right. Too little too to welshman here. Who who added interest seeing. Life after death. Because they get moved so much these tournaments come with these old and expertise so if you remember if your history tobacco Wyoming there was a response but general Washington after the battle. It was essentially in Italy in Kansas State. Either way Indians who were so who were siding on this side of the Tories during the battle don't general. John Salt and gathers many east and and they build a road to Wilkes-Barre which today though it says it all went fifteen. But the the army general that road was the ability for artillery to move up in this Sullivan edition that comes up. And on the way in laurel Rhine. To soldiers with the Pennsylvania eleven. Were murdered by. Members of the six nations by the here Kuwait and if you go to new laurel run today you'll see there is a red marker. Picture this if you're coming over the top. Giants as they are coming back on the other side you'll see the marker. They get they get killed on saint George's day in April. The seventeenth MEI and and they get moved to the wilkes-barre ribeiro ground that's the bare growl works very City Hall is. Today and then you'll notice. They removed again so. They got one trip. And his second trip. Comes up here in 1867. And that is when there quietly. Eggs you mean you re turning the majority of the bought bodies that are at the old expert program we're sitting halls today. Brooks called attention to revolutionary war veterans who are known for more than just their military careers. What I really like this say about Jesse fell. And the butlers who were buried over there and mid sized solid back and his son and family right over there. Is right in this spot you are standing in the hole. New Q that's the first. Launch we're doors of the answers I industry in higher interest dream is created. By these gentlemen. And if these 345. Plots were here. Because they can do with the discovered in founded experiment with none of you would be here today. If it wasn't for Jesse tells his whole experiment any Tino needs. At the old Phil tavern in Northampton in Washington street where he. Successively burnt coal and open rates that would change from ward to Cole how we heat our homes. We wouldn't be here today if they have them Butler father lord Butler grant's grandfather John lord Butler Butler mind which we all heard of didn't mind the coal with with Baltimore investors and create a former coal company that shipped hold down to Baltimore. We wouldn't be here today. If Holland back McDyess back and his son George talk about buying up all the land in planes and Parsons in the heights. Incurring a hog back brick. Breaker which was. At which they boulevard and can now than canal. Apple's street. We wouldn't be here today if this guide and it find find a great way to use it for homes. If the industrialists of Philadelphia did a fine great ways to use it for the industrial revolution. Which will be farmers. Where's intersect come from. Here. Only. When he bettered by tumors hole. Completely different kind of coal. Then this that we had the black I'm inspect food fuel it investor revolution that changed the way the world made stuff. I have this little thing like it's. All the dance revolution did which was the best revolution of any revolution more revolutionary in the American revolution the French revolution or the Spanish American revolutions in Venezuela. Was industrial revolution completely changed the way we leave. If you think about it if you have fruit in February. That's because in this revolution. All of you on cell phone your tiger texting right there singing your hand and be better because of the industrial revolution. Unbelievable and it's all these guys here simply have little pine nearing role in debt and led to. Greek ships that immigrants coming to Miami Valley for new economic opportunities which by enlarges. Our program parent and you are ramp. Fascinate. But first unified revolution against king George the third with the Bucks County militia. To win revolution to get to the industry. So across here is the Butler resting place of both colonels on Boller. And his son lord Butler and the wives. And yet he has three wise lord Butler at one Paul Pierce like in pierce street it's like to take a little joke about. The very beginning of nepotism. Don't know. There's this pervasive thing entities that involves politics it was very whining valley the first known case that nepotism. Is when everyone Butler appointed his son at the quartermaster for wilkes-barre. We've been doing and sets particularly at school boards and so who is that in Pollard and his son or Boller was at dollars more in line Connecticut is part of the Susquehanna come out moves here in 1716. If you were a member of the Susquehanna companies you bought any. Share. For the right to own a piece of land in Wilkes-Barre in the way and he created five settling chips looks vary over. Plymouth Kingston it's the first fight and eventually get to seventeen all of the Susquehanna. Going out to New York State line. In this entity becomes two we call in history west count in the count it's an etiquette that's those are. And date yet bogged down in land claim. War with. The Pennsylvania authorities eventually settled by Pennsylvania now and expert finally gets incorporated in and build up to him Butler is the founder of the can indicate. When he fourth regiment which is on October 17 1775. That Richards still exist today you know it's called today under nine that you think anybody here remember and ninth my grandfather was a lieutenant governor and nine it is the second oldest continuous military. Regiment in the country still and still active service in the country not a poison. And have you heard of battled Wyoming's Butler was late coming to about oil roaming the second commander of the Connecticut Richard in his knee and danys and you might lose house over. 44. If you're commander. Torre for Connecticut which now becomes the militia world loser companies besides how about a fight in the oh Wyoming lord butler's is young. Boy at the time as well it's losing lord butler's sign is right behind you John lord Butler. And he becomes the ninth commander of the under. Cemetery namesake George and Mathias Holland back had a colorful history as explained by Brooks. So here's Mathias column back he was in this battle between Connecticut Pennsylvania but I hollered back actually at a Connecticut person there was a group of guys who also came up. To defend Connecticut against Pennsylvania because headed right. Pennsylvania authorities and they were group called pacs and empathize Holler back comes up with captain Lazarus Stewart. To get away from Pennsylvania and and to. Take ownership of really Hanover township. And to bolster the Connecticut clay and besides hall back was. One of those gentlemen coming from Lancaster Lebanon county today if you go down the pact and hounds the on route 81 with ties coming into being an inch in in an independent Connecticut company. There's a 24 regiment and then there's these Wyoming independent companies that are also formed during the battle of of Wyoming. I'm gossip also goes off with continental troops answers in the battle of Trenton and Princeton and brandywine. On as well rushes home when they. Get word that the in new inventories and upstate New York gonna come down this way and a two. To the battle Wyoming survives a battle Wyoming. Understand what you read in the in the history books that he takes his clothes off yours you'd get him. And he's swimming immediately across the Susquehanna River. And out of the water. Helps speed the remaining survivors. That were strike going behind before the ball back Q weight that bow valley. After the battle. I'm when he comes back to Connecticut he built the house were report house visas today infections are our gallery now and I. Give a plug for these goes he is a wonderful wonderful gallery. You build a house there and starts a mercantile store line. Stores that. Hug these Susquehanna River going all the way up to your border so it's kind of like Al boss. A long time ago. At the same time he buys up polling. All up and down the valley he and his son George buys so much land as they become the richest landowners. In Pennsylvania and the richest people is it. So much so that he is the richest man when he dies in the 1829. It is inherent to use line. George match in all of this. Match and it's on in the eyes and also like to say in death. Men like to show off right. Ever notice how guys show off their cars you or anyone shall officer architecture of their house Willie death use show off as well and look at the size it is obelisk. A big statement here making. In death you'll notice there are kind of competing with one. Another. I think I counted some 200 novelists in on back cemetery then of course the other status symbolism mausoleum. For more information on tumors given my councilman Tony Brooks of the historical landmarks of the city be sure to visit the wilkes-barre preservation society and FaceBook you're listening to special edition on Entercom communications. You're listening to special edition on intercom communications. Hosted by sue Henry. Loser in counties 2018 budget was recently unveiled to the public the spending plan is 141. Point one million and includes a proposed tax increase of 2% for county homeowners big ticket items include incarceration and pensions Lucerne county is manager David pantry gave us deet tails about the plan. This week. In our budget this year about the about 30% of our budget is our guys are present and you don't have a time and time again they're really comes down to is just the criminal justice system and how it works. Toward doing a bunch of different things on this we worked on a prison population task force which has been opry successful on on identifying individuals that are being held by the judges that are being now waiting for a for hearings and then moving them back to state quicker we're looking at people with a with a large amount of pails wire they have these large amount bales and what are we doing to address those thinks the prison has expenses a lot of it is we have a of a building that was built in the 1980s. It's eight floors and is sits in a building that was the right after civil war coverage here and lose or account and that is our Lucerne county crush a facility. I have heard in the past when I'm gone to meanings that this makes it especially challenging for corrections officers because of the layout of the prison and then people of said well would it be. Be good to go in the direction of a new prison and well known that when we her new prison we here can dollars sharks now you see in front rise many many many dollar signs and of course some people in the past looked at that juveniles sent earn all that the hullabaloo that follows. The construction of a different one will the day condom when it just. Absolutely has to be done I think to day will come and the question is when and how many more years can we sneak out of this sock correctional facility. We are continuing to put money into this facility obviously we had the elevator incident with our tragic death of caucus for malls mark our corrections officer in July. When he seventeen these are all things that come into play here this is an older facility however LB -- with the Republican -- you it is safe it is secure we have some great people working on in our corrections. Every single day we have eight separate floors which means eight separate prisons it was cast be staffed and in and everybody has beefed it everybody has to be close everybody has to have access to showers recreation. And those things are expensive and listen we're not here to complain about those things but that's what we have here and a lot of it also ties into above normal camera now the opium and epidemic. And how has acted changed corrections I imagine only for the worsened when I've gone to meetings while they always talk about how drugs and alcohol seem to heat add them the root of many many many people being incarcerated and had heard like I don't know 7080%. So. I would think at the opiate problem this is only. In the situation where both sides this number I'm a former prosecutor has been serving as the DA's office in 95%. Of people I came in contact worked with had a drug problem. Made a mistake something along those last 5% of the people who were just horrible that people would say he attacked right but 95% of our person came in contact with and I think that number still true today loser carries entering into a litigation against he openly manufacturers in the open you wait and GOP or distributors when I prepared. That number I came up with seven million dollars from corrections just off the top of my has seemed author director of corrections. In between seventeen budget. Very very easily without even trying any he had dash seven million dollars six million dollars for children and youth and that's really what the most upsetting thing is how many times our children youth case congress have to go out for families. That are affected by helping you and abuse. In other words if if this problem where we're somehow solves do you see. Millions of dollars and it a reduction of interest in Ryan and die down fences so when you when you sit there is that a prosecutor and knows somebody who manages the county name. LeBron here. If you look at the openly lawsuit a lot of it is. The distribution of appeals and appeals become addictive and the addiction Dan turns to harder drugs so returns to heroin. Mama wants people circuit on this heroines very very hard to get off it and that's what becomes the burglaries. The holding up a liquor store or something along those lines and you hear time and time again these stories are horrible. But what we should be doing is program money treatment for our money in and in education and kitchen these people before turns to that point. But it it seems to me that we have been trying to do those things for years and a well least with the educational component and perhaps the treatment that debuted known cure it's expensive and it doesn't always work and I think a lot of people. Looked down their nose at that they say a whole hall that's not prison that's treatment and that's not a punishment and so I don't know why I just see these things as if you turn that she. We would be you know a much better place right now. Without doubt without a doubt deal to an epidemic and and our and our drug and alcohol abuse and lose in tennis legend northeaster visiting as a whole cross the state it's in it's very very difficult very very expensive. And how we were present every single day our rights. And that lipstick talk a little bit about some of the other expenses that you incur and in the past they're what they're seem to be a ferry call this correctly. I tendency. From many of the past administrations of Lucerne county weather's him and gone back to the commissioner from a government to the bar out to kill these touch gaps and I. It is season nice word I believe it's it's. It's seem to be due looking at work might did numbers are right now seem to be almost mandatory every year they are barring. 152030. Million dollars. Sometimes horrible rates that the 2008 borrowing that we just real to refinance. This year. They borrow twenty million dollars six billion of that went into what's called on insurance which is they don't even get even half that money they just hold onto that money as we really or fourteen million dollars. At variable rates or paint or paint the race 120 million dollars. It was a horrible deal that we are now we are now in the processor refinancing. But does this would happen in 2012 and hormonal came into two to play here. Boos and cat it was over 440 million dollars in debt as we stand here today in 2017. We are just over 300 million dollars in debt now since it can happen it would get a lot of county. Executives are proud of the fact that they're over 300 million dollars in debt OK I. I fully understand that but what I am proud of is that we've made huge strides over hundred million dollars vista's been paid off and just under five years did you get by on not to relying on borrowing I mean how did you get that train to stop war that first county council 2012 had to make some some major decisions. As well as the county management and in that in that period. Rivet came down to right size in the government. When I started DA's office 2004 read over 2000 employees working for the county as the standard today in twenty seventy we've just over 15100 employees so right size in the government doing things the right way of looking at things like consolidating services you know our our operations division came out to media day and said hey listen if we buy all of these air filters for buildings that we can save some money some of the great ideas don't don't buy them all separately its its its common sense really. He Saddam wanted someone to do it was it 24000 dollars is picking up those times of Nichols into that things are right way to get us there. In 25 team we unit a surplus of six point seven million dollars in twenty set at between sixty municipals one point three million dollars were getting there. For tighter corner I I I'm not sure I got our whole body around that corner just yet but we got our foot out. We're trying to do we can't financially as 15100 people still Tammany. If you ask me start it is scans the point osu they just talking about customer service. It's gonna sock talk about services. The criticized loser and count 322000. People and an area the size of the state ever I can fit within that was our account. So the county loser provide services to all of those individuals every single day. So 15100 people I'd miss it sounds like a large number but when you look at the size of what we do every single day and accounting. These are talking about what we doing for customer service and that's a major issue with me. I am not I can't talk about. As some of the individuals who work and those are counting everybody has this impression on their mind that that their living higher up the and their bunch of fat cats in the and so on and so forth but I was there the other day and I heard. The sums sums how praised the terror are not extraordinary and I believe some of them may even be. Listed in a story in the paper today that to you people. Gourmet cannon and you know the mid twenties sure there re yeah absolutely like people are not getting rich at those jobs. The account in Enola I was listening in on the way over here. I always turning to W while K news radio little slippery there. And I was into one of your sponsors and it was as hypocrite. As if recruiters say he was and how do you fine people how do you get people and how do you retain those individuals. And this is an issue that we have an accounting were always have been for the best Rosen for the brightest. Some people still think that he's the commissioner days where you know some way to get a job of accounting and business it. Those days are are over I encourage people to go to our website loser Kerry dot org. And apply for jobs. Some of these jobs you know they're not high paying jobs we just terrified deputy sheriff says 20000 dollars each year but those are five potty trained very important individuals. Heal those individual server papers protect us here at the courthouse provide prisoner transport a salute to resist the sheriff does every single day. And 20000 dollars what would be their socked. There's not a ton of county employees making six figures I mean like think outside my head. A very very small in number our division has to make them less than six figures to the county worker is there because they want to be either the rights to each of orientation classes. Is that they're there because they wanna do good they wanted to something that's right for their community. And step in the salaries or drop people until loser in county but I think it's. I'd like to think. It's the environment that keeps him. Every time we announce a budget David the people are always waiting to now what their tax increase will be. They about it tax decrease does that ever happen anywhere in the country. Well I'll tell you what in points going nine to catch the county looks to be out of debt and point 19 and I sit alone to be McCann manager of the bank as a man that's going to be good day. So. In the future into and it's so far away the day would ever come when you say yep your taxes will go down. 2% this year. As in two point point president and the county's funding for our for our dancers and this is all borrowings have been done in by the commissioners in the past. 2% of our budget toy stores is million dollars a year twice twenty cents on every dollar goes out two their dressers every year well. And again once that stops that you would think there would be as some relief for the marvelous taxpayer now when you announces budget the other day you told the people the news that they might see an increased share. Now and that increases. As 2% increase so on every county parcel that's worth a 100000 dollars you can and I thought extra dollar mark and is not something that we do lately I just awesome to now we do flip Italy or or are quickly or anything along those times we spent hours in a conference rumors are budgeted finest people I saw. Our budget finance team or process on my family. And the September. But we we're able to to come up with a 2% because because we think that we we can't do it but because it's what we needed or to continue to move accounting for a panic. And when you when you earn formulating. That that kind of increase obviously you know immediately when it does come out you will be. New he'll be criticize us because any time taxes got the peoples that they don't really think about what you just said that. The amount they think about which there they go again why why can't they and missed the question we hear all the time someone asked you should. Why can't you cut more things instead of raising. People's taxes. I'd fully appreciate that and here's where I was sick we've cut and we've cut we've kind we talked about how we cut our our work for staff from 2000 at fifteen under continuing to cut everywhere we possibly can't. Things go to psych anybody who runs a household those things go up this year and twenty eighteenth. We have 700000 dollars increases for health care okay that's. There's nothing we can do on that that's an increase for health care that's in the amount of money that we have to pack there's a million dollar increase for pension for. The pension fund is not something that I'm. That I'm thrilled to be able to put general fund monies in there. But the situation is is that we made a promise to those individuals that there will be a pension and that they will continue to paints that pension debt when they retire they'll be able to collect a pension. And we made a promise of those individuals that we have to keep that promise. This was really a a reaction suit to. Losing those employees good news we cut payroll. We cut those 500 employees. And use those individuals paid 5% of salaries and that passion on every single year so now without those that 5% we got to come up. With that extra funding to get in our pension is currently about 75% funded and that's pretty good. And we don't wanna go anywhere near. We don't go anywhere lesson and I sit on the retirement or install something that. Now we take lightly you know in addition to that we 600000 dollars. Indian union guarantee contractual races as well as merit. For not ripping of individuals. So I'm at 2.3 nine to do anything yet. Well I I sear issue here and I see your trouble now you have these. Contractually. Obligated raises for employees and then I saw some of those the boo birds come come out for merit raise and races and what the methodology. On on the evaluation for employees for merit raises and what is the the range of phrases. What we're looking at. A maximum of 3% for any non rep individual or it does have to be a total in the budget of 2018 of a 163000. Dollars total. Still looking at a complete budget of appears over a 140 million dollars. Talking about and for non rep individuals a 163000. Dollars Ellis here's what comes down to the evaluations America. I could very easily committee say everybody is 2% if you work for us on January 1 of 2018 congratulations here's your race but that's not how we should do thinks that's not power corporation short run that's not how we should be working here or we should be doing is rewarding. Are going to employees and the ones who aren't carrying the water needs though. This is not this is this it this bill. Not be there for you. Now listen are represented individuals they get raises every single every single year. But are not our individuals dealing get raises from 2008. To 2016. There's no raising 2070. And now looking to do with 3% raise based upon marry in twenty team. So Soo Gil those individuals I get an understanding. Of staff for our people here promising he'll listen when it comes down to not wrap individuals mccombs on anybody. If somebody works a job for ten years you get two races and at ten years based upon merit would you be happy with that. What we're giving our non wrap individuals I understand is tied up there if you understand that but we're talking about 3% wins based upon people who do a good job as based upon merit. Not just whether or not what your work reports or not or two it is a right way for the first time how does that evaluation until were reviewed evaluation with our department has it's a comprehensive evaluation with human resources echoes of the division had a level which is beat division has. Right directly below me and I'll have a final say on that determination. Now we're gonna review. What they did in there in their year how did they hire what was their accomplishments to this stay within their budget how to rework these things. All of those things come into play. We got to run this thing like a corporation to a certain extent people say governments should be brown like a business Tino I I disagree with a lot of that statement but there are certain things have to be done. We have to look at every single contract and we have to support our individuals and we have to do on specific job evaluations they can't just be goal on cattle. Boozer and Kenny manager David Kendry recently discussed the proposed budget for 2018. County council will have the final say on the matter in December. There's a budget work session after the council meeting on Tuesday October 24. Which starts at six in the Lucerne county courthouse. And a hearing on Monday October 30. In the hazel township municipal building at 6 PM you're listening to special addition on Entercom communications. What you were listening to special edition on intercom communications. Hosted by sue Henry. Country music icon Glen Campbell didn't disappear from the public eye. After doctors diagnosed him with alzheimer's disease in 2011. The entertainer continued to perform and even allowed a documentary about his life called Albie need to be created. Campbell died earlier this year. And his widow Kim has decided to share her experiences as a caregiver. Her blog is care living dot org. She spoke to a form inscription this week and shared her insights with us. It affects so many millions of people for many families that. It's such a devastating. Diagnosis. In earned that says get the call. Disease can navigate this laughed first so many years takes such a toll on the family aren't. Just honored to be able to be a part of it all Harvard community to help but anyway I can't. And then your husband Glen Campbell was in the public spotlight and when he got a spotlight on news sometimes it's it's hard to higher grade. But I and that doesn't really matter his skull he's solid and really open is not a about it while the big challenges she paged and you know he struggled with alcohol or term. Are back in the early eighty soon. But god floppy ever came mask and when. You know I think an example where a lot of people. And then out to be faced with alzheimer's and security get in fighting ago filmmakers stick Avalon and actually. Share his journey wit. Millions of people. I'm just so. And so proud of him for. You know raising awareness and helping caregivers know they're not learn failing they're not learn in bringing that disease of the shadows and helping the sticker price says. When this was was happening to Glenn. Who who knew first Tim that something was was a fun it was EU was a gland was at somebody else in the family was that the physician. I think Glenn knew something was wrong he wasn't feeling right it is a lot of times people early on and become depressed. Perhaps some anxiety and they don't know why so we we're we're on healing without. And then I Corzine had to step back as people age they are certainly in normal. Memory lapses that we all. Experience and it's hard to know if there's something going on there it's just the normal aging process and just expect you could look back and weak at all these now. That those memory lapses where part of this. You see when you actually have received. This a physician's. Diagnosis. Of alzheimer's. What was that like 44 USA as a couple because. Obviously you feel. For the other individual in a partnership. But then I would imagine you think to yourself wow this is also going to be life changing for me as well. Yeah when we got the diagnosis. The doctor told the crew were sitting there together. And as his wife I eight didn't want to let on that pits scared me you know for his sake. So I just sat their quietly and let sentence that he. You really can't go with a lot of great on the inside was panicked. I really didn't know much about all Iverson at all by the I had a billion questions and I had to get the opposite educating myself about the and the more I learned that the port site that I became you have to accept it because there's no way to float at BP's doors stop at this point. And I think that your story and and Glenn story illustrates beautifully one thing that is a truce and that is that. Even after a diagnosis like this which you know is is it's difficult to hear that life life can go why you don't have to stop your life right Aaron nine UN human Glenn certainly kept moving forward and he had continue in just two perform and and then put out to beautiful music works even in the aftermath this so it doesn't have to be. The end it just tested via supposed. A very definitive change. Math and you're absolutely right in the early and it'll say your good self structure learn to live that selling life. He just gradually meeting could keep garnering more support around yourself to. Compensate for. For your weaknesses but to support restraints. And did you know that's. That's the gift I guess that there is against the at all Iverson that you know you have a long journey she can't prepare for it and eco. And that's what we did we we embrace each other and and they had that. Those beautiful years together to cherish. And even you know even going into the late stage are we still learn to appreciate each other and we learned you know you'd that you start learning to live in the moment. Not focused on the path up for the for the future that just due to cherish every moment they had together as a family. And as certainly when Mary you're in the public spotlight you. You know Ian people look to you and certainly in the case of glass and there I mean here's somebody that crops and many many generations. You know people feel like they have a little part of Glen Campbell because the the suns that he did well big radio hits seem so intimate to people you know they're they're sir and sons of thing is that you know you're really feel. His his emotions. Nominee on the back catalog like you know which top line men and Jenna on my mind and then that's on ghost on the canvas which I think is is so moving. How does that help people. Reach back out to him and and show there if they're loved in an admiration and maybe share with you Kim that listen. May be their wife for it or their husband was in a similar situation and they were able to reach back so to speak as he would reach them somebody time. All the doctors told her that continuing to do you could really help in regards grain. And I got their findings that agree church now that there it is activate all the different regions of the rated I have one and and stimulate need there are very big connection so you know people have. Told us that he inspired them to integrate music more into their therapies. Additionally those songs that were and the phone like I'm not gonna miss cues that Glenn and his. His producer Julian Raymond co wrote. But nominated for Oscar and won a Grammy for best country on that bond especially really resonated with caregivers. Because that is talked about the disease from his. Perspectives. Hit those like he was saying to me don't worry about me I'm not get a bit Q you're the one that's going T have the status. The heartbreak in the cheers of the struggle but don't at least don't worry about me confirm going to be fine. Would be that continues to inspire in fact. He's also nominated for a fee available murdered on November 8 I'm gonna get to back awards show it here in national. Four I do that that he did with Willie Nelson are aimed at putting up times but the way. I mean even even now his music is still catching people. And that's without awkwardly to berm right before he recorded about it and that's those are and of those stages when credit the end of our tour. Even still able to make beautiful music and it's at get that he's left behind for our generation I think of so. Again beat estimates. And are so proud of him. We know is as caregivers cam that that role is very very very difficult and we know. That it's exhaust gain in we known that sometimes caregivers. Lose themselves. Eat in the other person and how did you manage to to strike a balance when you had some there are difficult times here I know that they're I read some of the things that happened. And you know you had your hands full so how did you not lose yourself overall us. Yeah most people think that dementia are all Harvard is just about raising short term memory becoming to get ball. That you actually leisure ability to think and reason. If you lose your ability to communicate verbally or to understand language at such depth perception and visually. He could become suspicious and paranoid and Glenn and many others. Because I am combative. So these are very serious things to deal lists for caregivers and it is emotionally for you that the family member it's. So depressing to see your loved ones slipping away like this freedom struggle and to change in the breeze blew himself so I'm became very depressed. And joined a support group with other remedies hasn't settled on average they were all the crap too. So I decided to Saturday at web site supply at the lifestyle guide for caregiver called Q living. Dot or. To. Positive voice out there to try them to look at this. Situation have positive way to encourage others and it helped me you know when I feel like I'm helping others maybe helped Colby out of the depression and then. Try to bring some kind of purpose out of the tragedy. Of alzheimer's. But it is really tough another another thing of trying to do carelessly is to educate. Caregivers about differing care options there's a spirit stick Matt Capps CEO congressman Glenn with dike as if he helter is that statement IP public about it. But now I'm trying to repeated the stigma of foreign troops here. Because. I never care community is not at her home. A nursing home you know provide trauma clock medical care for people that are acutely ill with cancer. Or whatever. Their situation as they need to therapy that. And then I can't community is just batted to keep it beat for the whole family because departure affects the entire family and that the Kuwait. Engagement and it. Music therapy art therapy pet therapy and best in all these other families are going to the same thing you are so. Well they're 242 other two love each other to let each other up and people with the magic can get 24/7. Can't with a with a team of professionals that know how their trades you know especially for people with dementia. You know where we'd like to advocate community had made all the difference the world for our whole family. Was much more compared to much more peace. And I had other people there to two formula meet through the process asylum under popular though that these. These care options success and how great they are of course you know every community difference you have to keep it researching and you have to look at what that's right. To you that you donate can't do it alone. And nation. Think that you have to do it alone. Their top out there you just need to educate yourself about the resource than. And certainly in the coming years Kim this'll become a topic where more and more families will have this as a reality I mean that's demographically. Just the way it's going to be. Yes it absolutely answered already there's five point six million people with alzheimer's could be United States if they keep going caregivers that are growing because you know the population is continuing to age and we haven't found a way to slow it down yet. So I definitely am advocating border. Healthy lifestyle for the caregivers are especially at risk for developing good matchup because our big thing is that not taking care of themselves they collecting. Their own health exercise. Each session. All that's really important to. To say about any kind of disease but all timers as well they do you think depression is. Could could contribute to you know people developing. Alzheimer's so it's important to keep your metal help well. You you are obviously working with foundation and they're looking towards solutions Kim are you seeing anything that you you find to be perhaps some optimism. I guess so we're looking at early more of an early diagnosis which I know people do look at. And then I know that we're looking at some drugs that it's. Arrests the effects at a certain point and then some that can maybe appeal some of those affects back but this this is a lot of work that they have had in the right. Yes there are hundreds of clinical trials going on around the country and a lot of great companies that are. Working on finding nature and I'm encouraged I've I actually went on a trip with price focused down to Houston and and visited and the collapse down their bets that the scientists that they were standing. And I I was very encouraged to you know to see such brilliant minds that are on this. But they just beat or I've seen you wanted to keep going until they. I'd be here that's Kim Campbell widow of country music legend Glen Campbell. She has a blog cure living dot org there recounts her experiences with their husband's struggle. With alzheimer's disease you're listening to special addition on Entercom communications. Thanks for listening to special edition. 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